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Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 18 Ottobre 2005, 18:31:26
grafic on board MS - 6368 v5 ( no slot AGP )and voodoo2 e possibile - win xp ?
Anche in SLI mode ?
Driver ? :
 FastVoodoo2 4.0 XP Gold Edition  o
 FastVoodoo2 3.5 XP   o
 FastVoodoo2 3.0 XP  ?
grazie
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: Manuelson il 18 Ottobre 2005, 20:23:10
prova i 4.0..secondo me non dovresti avere problemi!

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 18 Ottobre 2005, 20:29:26
Si, non dovresti avere problemi; anche io prossimamente accoppierò una VGA on-board con uno SLI Voodoo2;)

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: Max_R il 19 Ottobre 2005, 13:50:04
Con i drivers di 3dfxzone non dovresti riscontrare problemi.. Ciao, fai sapere!

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 19 Ottobre 2005, 19:15:02
che nesesario cambiare che cosa in Bios ?
Integrated Peripherals ?
driver 4 gold editions Win xp - che buono ?
lavora anche con Sli mode ?
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 19 Ottobre 2005, 20:18:12
no che problema in installacione ?
solo si meti voodoo 2 in pci slot e si meti driver 4 gold editions in win XP ?
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 19 Ottobre 2005, 22:16:43
Hi! In general, no particular bios settings are needed. Any way, for optimal performance with Voodoo2, Voodoo2 SLI 3dfx 3D accelerators, some bios settings are suggested; take note that you could not find all settings in your motherboard bios (or some settings could be called in different way). Check in your motherboard bios following settings, and if they are available, enable them:

1) Snoop Ahead

2) Host Bus Fast Data Ready

3) PCI 2.1 Support

If they are available, disable the following ones:

1) PCI/VGA Palette Snoop

Put "setting PCI Latency Timer" on value 0

3dfxzone Team suggest to make personal IRQ configuration, setting level 3 for primary video card (in your bios), making attention that the choice does not create conflicts with other peripherals. It is also advised to disable Power Management if system is old.

FastVoodoo2 4.0 XP GE support also SLI configuration, of course! Refer to following link for support and more details about installation and troubleshoting: Device Driver "FastVoodoo2 4.0 XP Gold Edition" Release Notes (https://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/3dfx/voodoo2/releasenotes/fv2_4.0_xp_ge.htm)

Other suggested link:
Voodoo2 FAQs (https://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/3dfx/voodoo2/faq.htm)

For more help and support, you can ask here, of course ;)



Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da goriath il 19/10/2005  alle ore  22:23:04
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 22 Ottobre 2005, 12:54:22
Si con driver FV2 4.0 XP GE work god for Star wars, but for Quake not,
In installazione non che problems
In Bios is already

PCI/VGA palette Snoop disable,
I not find this in Bios :
1) Snoop Ahead
2) Host Bus Fast Data Ready
3) PCI 2.1 Support
in patch driver FV2 4.0 XP GE instal :
Tools/OpenGL/3dfxGl/ miniinst1 ,
But game Quake not work so god like before on old Pc 166 : Pci S3 2/3 D 8 MB + Voodoo2,
Now : ,celeron 1100 grafik on board (MS - 6368 v5 - no slot AGP ) :
integrated Trident Blade 2D/3D graphics accelerator + Voodoo2





Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da david il 22/10/2005  alle ore  13:43:34

Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da david il 22/10/2005  alle ore  13:44:39
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 23 Ottobre 2005, 04:36:33
Are you owner of MS-6368 microATX Ver.5 mainboard, right?

About Snoop Ahead and Host Bus Fast Data Ready I did not find them in bios menù as well (probably they are not present).

In order to turn on PCI 2.1 support, you could find in Advanced Chipset Features the PCI Delay Transaction, enable it...this would have give you PCI 2.1 support.

About the game...are you speaking of Quake, the first version of id software shoot'em-up?...it does not work good like the old system does... - What does it means? Low FPS or what?

:)



Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da goriath il 23/10/2005  alle ore  04:37:37
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 25 Ottobre 2005, 20:10:31
Are you owner of MS-6368 microATX Ver.5 mainboard, right?
Yes,

In game quake 2 - old game , not work in slution 3dfx open gl ,

I now have Sli voodoo2 - 12 mb,
i think that driver 4.0 GE not work god in Win XP.
when I try to play this game and i chose solution 3dfx
game not play and was error.
error mipmmap...

maybe i must instal something like open gl or power gl?

This game i played in old PC 166 and work splendid so maybe are something wrong or something mis in driver 4.0 GE for WIN XP ?
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 25 Ottobre 2005, 22:14:01
Hello again!

Yup, mipmap error...now it is more clear.

Try to unzip proper glide2x file to your c:\windows\system32 folder: LINK (http://www.3dfx.cz/download/glide2x_radeon.zip)

Are you using SLI Voodoo2 mismatched pair? If you are using two identical Voodoo2 for SLI configuration, you can install any driver set without problems. Otherwise if you are trying to use two different Voodoo2 under WinXP, you must install Koolsmoky's XP Voodoo2 driver...

If you have two Voodoo2 from different manufacturer, can you tell me brand name of both cards?

Any way, i will give you another useful support link (the most probably..):

Setting up Two Voodoo2's in SLI (Scan Line Interleave) (http://www.shifter.sk/helppage/default_fix.htm#SLI)

Here you should find answers to all your problem...

As usually, if support is still needed, you can ask again and we will try to do our best helping you;)

(And who will help me and my terrible english??:cool:..hehe :h)



Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da goriath il 26/10/2005  alle ore  02:19:34
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 25 Ottobre 2005, 23:30:11
this error ( mipmap ... )do when i use one or both voodoo 2,
1 - is Creative 12 mb
2 - is Orchid 12 mb
this download in LINK will do tomorow , because now i'm not at home,
thanks for your help,
in Quake2 you can choose screen solution in video ( softver, open gl, 3dfxgl or power gl )
I choose 3dfx gl ?
I find d this in web:
( How do I adjust the amount of system memory allocated to the onboard video?
Go into the BIOS setup (hit DELETE key while system is booting up) and go into Integrated Peripherals / SiS OnChip PCI Device / System Share Memory Size. You can select 4, 8, 16, 32,64 or 126MB. )
In my PC is 64 - is this important ?
i have total ram : 2 x 128 MB = 256
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 26 Ottobre 2005, 02:11:02
Citazionethis error ( mipmap ... )do when i use one or both voodoo 2,
1 - is Creative 12 mb
2 - is Orchid 12 mb

Ok this means you probably must use Koolsmoky driver set for WinXP...Any way first, try again with FastVoodoo2 4.0 XP GE; sometimes, Voodoo2 that follow reference board design (in your case both Voodoo2 from Orchid and Creative should follow reference board; have both cards double-side ram or one of them have ram chips only on one side of the board?), are able going in SLI mode with this driver set as well...Otherwise Koolsmoky will be your last chance...

 
Citazionein Quake2 you can choose screen solution in video ( softver, open gl, 3dfxgl or power gl )
I choose 3dfx gl ?

You should be able to choose both openGL and 3dfxGL rendering modes...

 
CitazioneI find d this in web:
( How do I adjust the amount of system memory allocated to the onboard video?
Go into the BIOS setup (hit DELETE key while system is booting up) and go into Integrated Peripherals / SiS OnChip PCI Device / System Share Memory Size. You can select 4, 8, 16, 32,64 or 126MB. )
In my PC is 64 - is this important ?
i have total ram : 2 x 128 MB = 256

Right info, but not useful concerning Voodoo2 SLI setup:)



Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da goriath il 26/10/2005  alle ore  02:21:46
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 27 Ottobre 2005, 01:00:09
Thanks for help, i put glide2x file in system and now game Quake 2
Work well like the old time in old pc,
Maybe I make mistake, because i change in game video ¨driver setting ¨ :
Have 4 validates :
( Softver, default openGl, 3dfx  opengl and power vr  opengl )

And ¨video mode ¨ ( 320 240, 400 300, 512 384, 840 480, 800 600, 960 720, 1074 864, 1152 864, 1280 960, 1800 1200 )

Before i change softver to 3dfx opengl and game is not god – not nice picture and error :
( gr.Text downloadmipmap:mipmap cannot span 2 Mbte boudary )
Now i put file in system,
And now I let driver in : softver,
But change video mode to 800 x 600 and Quake2 work well and splendid picture.

( grafic on board and Sli mode voodoo2 )
once again thank for help.

Is important to change in bios amount of system memory allocated to the onboard video : now is 64 mb to 128 mb or less to 32 mb.

Is better to have more or less mb in bios ?
What is different to have 8 mb or 128 mb ?

(And who will help me and my god - terrible english?? ..hehe ):-)))
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 27 Ottobre 2005, 03:57:38
So summarizing:

Now, you are using FastVoodoo2 4.0 XP GE. After replacement of glide2x in your system root, now you can play Quake2 in 3dfxGL mode at 800x600...right?

Well, if you install in your system the other Voodoo2 now, you will get performance boost up to 1024x768 screen resolution trough SLI mode ;)

Concerning amount of system memory allocated to the onboard video: this setting allow you to choose how much ram of your system memory (central RAM) must be reserved to video operations. If you choose to have 64MB, you will get graphic card with 64MB...if you choose 128MB, you will get 128MB for your VGA. What is the best?...it depends of you. More RAM you will reserve for VGA, less RAM you will get for system basic operations and viceversa. You must find right compromise, based on your video/system requirements;)



Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da goriath il 27/10/2005  alle ore  03:59:30
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 28 Ottobre 2005, 12:43:00
yes,4.0 ge xp:
i let driver to softver, if i change driver to open gl or 3dfx not work, just work driver in softver,i i change to powergl, not wok message: miss sgl.dll
how do i now it is work voodoo2 or in sli mode ?
Quake2 game work in resolution 1200 x 760 .
but driver is automatic on : softver
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 28 Ottobre 2005, 14:14:51
:eek:!

Sorry, I did not understand what you said first! So now you use Software Mode as graphics rendering...That is wrong! If you install 3dfx graphics card, you MUST play with games in fully 3D hardware acceleration by 3dfx:h ;)

So it is my fault; I assumed you already installed a standalone openGL driver:h Now you need MesaFX;)

First of all
Download MesaFX 6.2.0.1 (https://www.3dfxzone.it/files/download/video/3dfx/common/mesafx/mesafx-6.2.0.1.exe)

After download, follow installation instruction here:

MesaFX Installation with Voodoo2/Voodoo2 SLI cards (https://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/3dfx/bestsettings/mesafx_v2/index.htm)

Let me know;)

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 30 Ottobre 2005, 14:12:05
done , download mesa FX,download in file quake,  but game stil driver in softver, not in 3dfx opengl ? maybe is game to old ,
maybe you know some old better game to improve that ?
please, give me a link some game,which work well in Sli mode :- )
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 30 Ottobre 2005, 21:04:26
Ok, try to repeat installation:

1) Replace again glide3x.dll (from ...MesaFX-6.2.0.1/Voodoo2 folder) in ...Windows/System32 folder.

2) Replace glide2x.dll again (unzip it from ...glide2x_radeon.zip that you downloaded) in ...Windows/System32 folder.

3) Replace opengl32.dll again (from ...MesaFX-6.2.0.1 main root) in Quake2 main folder.

4) Now reboot your system and try to lunch Quake2 again.

I am telling you this, because I noticed that glide dll files (glide2x/3x) HAVE to be replaced both (and TOGETHER) in the same time, first to reboot system. So, if you are installing new glide3x.dll version, you have to replace also glide2x.dll (yeah, you will rewriting the same file!) and viceversa...Glide dll (2x/3x) are strictly linked, like brothers;)

If game still will not work, try to use GL driver (wickedGL) but however Quake2 HAVE to run in 3dfx rendering mode because it CAN!

Another good game nice to try with Voodoo2 and Voodoo2 SLI 3D graphics accelerators is Quake3 ARENA, of course. Right now I am playing it with my two Voodoo2 in SLI mode and mesaFX 6.2.0.1 and it works great! ;)



Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da goriath il 30/10/2005  alle ore  21:05:48

Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da goriath il 30/10/2005  alle ore  21:07:20
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 01 Novembre 2005, 02:51:47
download demo : Quake3 Arena from:
http://www.gamesload.it/download/last_generation/quake_3_arena_download.htm
is nesesary something to download like in Quake for example  - MesaFx ?
(  Ok, try to repeat installation:

1) Replace again glide3x.dll (from ...MesaFX-6.2.0.1/Voodoo2 folder) in ...Windows/System32 folder.

2) Replace glide2x.dll again (unzip it from ...glide2x_radeon.zip that you downloaded) in ...Windows/System32 folder.

3) Replace opengl32.dll again (from ...MesaFX-6.2.0.1 main root) in Quake2 main folder.

4) Now reboot your system and try to lunch Quake2 again. )


Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da david il 01/11/2005  alle ore  02:53:21
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 01 Novembre 2005, 05:17:59
Citazionedownload demo : Quake3 Arena from:
http://www.gamesload.it/download/last_generation/quake_3_arena_download.htm
is nesesary something to download like in Quake for example  - MesaFx ?

 
CitazioneRight now I am playing it (Quake3) with my two Voodoo2 in SLI mode and mesaFX 6.2.0.1 and it works great!

Yes;)

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 04 Novembre 2005, 05:37:32
If game still will not work, try to use GL driver (wickedGL) ,
please, give me a link to wicked gl .
( Driver OpenGL prodotto da 3dfx per le sue schede grafiche.

    * ver. 1.46
    * ver.1.47
    * ver.1.48
    * ver.1.49 )
is nesesary something to download like in Quake for example - MesaFx - ( 1) Replace again glide3x.dll (from ...MesaFX-6.2.0.1/Voodoo2 folder) in ...Windows/System32 folder.

2) Replace glide2x.dll again (unzip it from ...glide2x_radeon.zip that you downloaded) in ...Windows/System32 folder.

3) Replace opengl32.dll again (from ...MesaFX-6.2.0.1 main root) in Quake2 main folder.

4) Now reboot your system and try to lunch Quake2 again. )? )
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 04 Novembre 2005, 13:35:27
I am not sure to understand...Now you are talking about Quake2 or Quake3 ARENA (demo)?

IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT QUAKE2:
MesaFX still not works? Have you tried to select Default OpenGL in Quake2 menu setup?

What is the problem? What happens when you try to run the game? Try to explain it...

Any way you can find latest wickedGL driver at 3dfxzone.it: Metabyte WickedGL 3.02 (https://www.3dfxzone.it/Voodoo5/wgl_demo.exe)

With miniGL driver like this, I think you must choose 3DFX OpenGL this time, in game options..

IF ARE TALKING ABOUT QUAKE3 ARENA:
If MesaFX not works with MesaFX, verify Default OpenGL option is selected in Quake3 SETUP/SYSTEM menu. I am playing Q3A with Voodoo2 SLI, FastVoodoo2 4.0 XP GE + MesaFX 6.2.0.1, so you would have to be able doing the same! ;)



Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da goriath il 04/11/2005  alle ore  13:45:56
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 04 Novembre 2005, 21:27:35
Quake2 not work in 3dfx gl mode,
Automatic run in : softver,
Maybe is problem integrated grafic on board ?

Anyway thanks for your help,

Just instal  Metabyte WickedGL 3.02 or must replace some file or glide in file Quake 2 ?

For : Quake3 ARENA , must replace some file or glide in file Quake 3 Arena ?
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 05 Novembre 2005, 15:11:36
NO, VGA-on-board does not match the problem.

If Quake 2 starts in Sof_Ren. mode automatically, you would have to be able selecting 3D hardware acceleration ("Default OpenGL" or "3DFX OpenGL" options) in the game menu. If you are using MesaFX, i think you will have best result selecting "Default OpenGL" otherwise, if you will use WickedGL mini-driver probably will be better to select "3DFX OpenGL"...Any way you would to be able choosing both modes independently from openGL drivers (wickedGL or MesaFX) you are using...

WickedGL works very similar to MesaFX. After downloading and installing 3.02 version, execute EXE file; this will open the installer, utility that allow you to search your game from list of supported games, in order to install opengl32.dll file properly. (ATTENTION: do not confuse Mesa dll with this one! Same name, similar job they do, but different things they are!). On the left you can select the game of your interest; select Quake 2. On the right you can reach main folder where execute game file is; search quake2.exe. Now click on "Install WickedGL regular version" button. Utility will scan folder searching for quake2.exe file; when it will be done, confirm installation. And that is all you have doing...

For Quake3 is the same

Let me know

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 07 Novembre 2005, 19:58:47
Thanks, game Quake 2 still work on softver :
When game play, I choose 3dfx or open Gl, game work, but when I look in video menu is displayed :softver,

Never mind,

Yes, Wicked Gl is easy to install,

I confirm normal resolution, it is O.K. ?

Game Quake 3 arena work well.

Once again thanks for your help.
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 07 Novembre 2005, 20:12:38
By the way,
Another question about Ram:

Motherboard have just two slot for Sdram dimm,
Now I have 2 x 128 mb 133 mhz = 256 mb ( Windows XP ).

Is better to have :
1 x 256 mb but 100 mhz
and 1 x 128 mb 133 mhz

Which system are better and quicker ?

( Don't forget, grafic is on board )

more ram or more hertz ?
Now 256 mb ram and 133 mhz
or
386 mb rama and 100 mhz
( some people tell me , when you have two diferent ram frequency, system work for lower frequency ? )
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 07 Novembre 2005, 22:07:08
CitazioneThanks, game Quake 2 still work on softver :
When game play, I choose 3dfx or open Gl, game work, but when I look in video menu is displayed :softver,

Never mind,

Yes, Wicked Gl is easy to install,

I confirm normal resolution, it is O.K. ?

Game Quake 3 arena work well.

Once again thanks for your help.



 

About Quake2:
I understand now. Quake2 starts in Soft.Ren. mode; when you try to select "Default OpenGL" or "3DFX OpenGL" modes, your choice seems working, but when picture appears on the screen, game still run in Soft.Ren., right?

Very strange....You could try to uninstall and reinstall driver...Mhm I dunno :D....or you could try different driver...

(!): About resolution using Voodoo2 or 2 Voodoo2 SLI: One Voodoo2 can support resolution up to 800x600 max; Two Voodoo2 SLI can support up to 1024x768 max.
When you select different rendering mode, you put resolution on 1024x768 max, right?

About Quake3 ARENA:
In Quake3 you can play at 1024x768 in 3D Hardware acceleration (Default or Voodoo options)?


 
CitazioneBy the way,
Another question about Ram:

Motherboard have just two slot for Sdram dimm,
Now I have 2 x 128 mb 133 mhz = 256 mb ( Windows XP ).

Is better to have :
1 x 256 mb but 100 mhz
and 1 x 128 mb 133 mhz

Which system are better and quicker ?

( Don't forget, grafic is on board )

more ram or more hertz ?
Now 256 mb ram and 133 mhz
or
386 mb rama and 100 mhz
( some people tell me , when you have two diferent ram frequency, system work for lower frequency ? )

My reply is: Installing the old, good and more faster Win98SE you could get better results on your system (If this system is not main machine and if you only use it for retrogaming)

Any way, if you want WinXP, IMHO, it would be best install how much memory (MB) you can...And yes, system with different frequencies memory, will run both to the lowest frequency



Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da goriath il 07/11/2005  alle ore  22:09:11
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 09 Novembre 2005, 18:05:12
About Quake2  : Right

When you select different rendering mode, you put resolution on 1024x768 max, right? Yes.

About Quake3 ARENA: i must see

About ram now have : 1 x 128 mb and 1 x 256 mb both 133 mhz.
Is important to be biger ram 256 in slot 1 or slot 2 or is not important ?
Grafic on board change in bios to 128 mb, before 64 mb : is this better  ?
About xp and win 98 se : you are right, but for children is better to learn newer system.
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 09 Novembre 2005, 19:25:55
CitazioneIs important to be biger ram 256 in slot 1 or slot 2 or is not important ?

Not important, in general. But it could depends on ram. I had experiences about ram modules that was not working first exchanging them in ram's slot.

 
CitazioneGrafic on board change in bios to 128 mb, before 64 mb : is this better ?

This is better for your VGA-on-board, but not for your system with WinXP installed. My suggestion is reserving how much memory you can to OS (If OS is WinXP)

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 11 Novembre 2005, 05:55:07
About Quake3 ARENA:
In Quake3 you can play at 1024x768 :
Quake 3 change to this resolution, but when I saw in video is still 600 x 480 ?
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 11 Novembre 2005, 15:08:03
Mhm...you have problems with driver, because whichever settings you change (rendering mode in Q2 or resolution in Q3A) games do not remember your choice...

- During Q3A, go in SETUP/SYSTEM select GRAPHICS on the left and click on DRIVER INFO; let me know what you see about "VENDOR" string
- Check if SLI is active; on desktop, click right mouse button, select "Property", click on "Settings" tab, click on "Advanced" button, then select "V2-1000" tab. This is the Voodoo2 control panel; click on "Advanced Properties" button and finally verify that "Disable Scanline Interleaving (SLI)" option is unchecked (if checked will disable SLI configuration; only one card will works)

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 13 Novembre 2005, 18:06:56
In Quake 3 arena is imposibile, when game run, to go out and look in system
In system is grafic driver:
Windows/ system32/driver/trio3dm.sys

In game and sound is :
3dfxzoneitfastvoodoo2 4,0 xp gold edition
driver: windows/ help/3dfxv2ps.hlp
and others about 10 voodoo2,
in option » v2-10000¨is not advanced,
but it is on 3dfxvoodoo2,
and all winwows are uncheked
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 13 Novembre 2005, 21:06:00
CitazioneIn Quake 3 arena is imposibile, when game run, to go out and look in system
In system is grafic driver:
Windows/ system32/driver/trio3dm.sys

No....sorry I mean.. go in SETUP/SYSTEM but in Q3A. I was not referring to the system info in winxp

(https://www.forumzone.it/public/uploaded/goriath/2005111321342_quake3%202005-11-13%2020-58-02-78.jpg)

(https://www.forumzone.it/public/uploaded/goriath/2005111321423_quake3%202005-11-13%2020-58-07-29.jpg)

(https://www.forumzone.it/public/uploaded/goriath/2005111321456_quake3%202005-11-13%2020-58-13-39.jpg)

.....after clicking "DRIVER INFO" button let me know what you can see about "VENDOR" string

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 15 Novembre 2005, 18:36:53
On System set up is:

Custom ( on woodoo not work – pc dark)
Default on 640 x 480, work to max. 960 x 720( resolution  1024 x 768 not work )
Default
On lightmap
High
Default
Bilinear
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 18 Novembre 2005, 03:20:38
CitazioneOn System set up is:

Custom ( on woodoo not work – pc dark)
Default on 640 x 480, work to max. 960 x 720( resolution  1024 x 768 not work )
Default
On lightmap
High
Default
Bilinear



 



ARRGHH!!!!

1) If you got 3dfx videocard, you are able to set " Voodoo" mode in Quake3 SYSTEM SETUP. If you say this not happens (dark screen) you have problems. Two possibilities:

 

2) When two Voodoo2 works together to reach SLI performances, you can play games setting resolution up to 1024x768. If you cannot reach 1024x768 resolution, two possibilities there are:

 

I remember that both Creative and Orchid followed "3dfx reference board specifications", so you shouldn't have problems...However many card's revision went out when 3dfx was still alive, so you could have two Voodoo2 that are incompatible between them. About this I want ask: Have both cards double-side ram or one of them have ram chips only on one side of the board?

Any way if you still experiment problems while using SLI configuration, I suggest going to Koolsomky driver; this driver set can run Voodoo2 from different producers

3) Please, during Quake3, in SYSTEM SETUP screen click on "DRIVER INFO" at bottom page and let me know what you can read about "VENDOR" string; this could confirm if Voodoo2's are working or not...



Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da goriath il 18/11/2005  alle ore  03:27:25
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 18 Novembre 2005, 16:57:02
Are you sure that primary VGA and Voodoo2 are properly linked by pass-through cable ?
Yes. like Foto in link: http://www.shifter.sk/helppage/default_fix.htm#SLI
i will reinstal Golden and trx to Koolsomky driver,
must i instal just koolomky driver or
kolomsky and Voodoo2 Tweaker ?

( try Koolsmoky's XP Voodoo2 driver, that should fix it for good. If you need to modify some settings like gamma or refresh rate under winXP, use the Voodoo2 Tweaker, the default 3dfx control panel doesn't work (and show information) correctly under XP.)

About this I want ask: Have both cards double-side ram or one of them have ram chips only on one side of the board?
Cards are identical and have ram only in one side of the board.
First i try to Kolosomky , then ...
( Metabyte WickedGL 3.02
Download MesaFX 6.2.0.1
try to unzip proper glide2x file to your c:\windows\system32 folder: LINK ) look back in your post


Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da david il 18/11/2005  alle ore  17:48:52
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 18 Novembre 2005, 19:44:31
OK about Voodoo2/primaryVGA connections...

Ok, try to reinstall FV2 if you want. If this does not fix the problem, try Koolsmoky driver, the last chance..

You can install Koolsmoky only, or if you need more control on driver settings, you can install also Voodoo2 Tweaker (the default 3dfx control panel doesn't work properly under XP)

I repeat some questions (probably my english is not understandable, sorry:D)

1) In order to know something more on your 3dfx hardware configuration, I need to know if Voodoo2 from Creative and Voodoo2 from Orchid are physically identical. I would like know if both Voodoo2's have RAM module installed on both sides of the board or not.

2) in SYSTEM SETUP screen (Quake3) click on "DRIVER INFO" at bottom page and let me know what you can read about "VENDOR" string; this could confirm if Voodoo2's are working or not...:D

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 19 Novembre 2005, 08:09:56
1 – card are identical( about ram) only diferent is on in pci slot
RAM module installed on both sides of the board
2 - vendor
Microsoft corp. 1.1
Direct 3 D
Pixsel format
Color ( 32 bits ) z ( 16 bits ) stenci ( 0 bits )
Extension
GL_EX_COMPILED_VERTEX_ARRAY

Game Quake 3 work 1024 -768 pixel  , if change display to 16 bit, now 32 bit
What will happend  if change the Bios:
Integrated peripherals
Init Display First ( This item specifies VGA card is your primary grafich adapter )
( Now ) AGP to PCI Slot
I know that Voodoo2 not work withhout primary grafic ( here is grafic on board )


(https://www.forumzone.it/public/uploaded/david/200511198921_2.jpg)(https://www.forumzone.it/public/uploaded/david/200511198944_1.jpg)



Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da david il 19/11/2005  alle ore  11:42:57
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 19 Novembre 2005, 08:44:41
try with kolosmoky , but result was the same
in Voodoo2 control panel is checked only last one -link sliders (glide and direct 3d are not )

In tweaker is this option uncheked :
( This is the Voodoo2 control panel; click on "Advanced Properties" button and finally verify that "Disable Scanline Interleaving (SLI)" option is unchecked (if checked will disable SLI configuration; only one card will works)



Questo messaggio è stato aggiornato da david il 19/11/2005  alle ore  08:45:59
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 19 Novembre 2005, 14:07:52
CitazioneGame Quake 3 work 1024 -768 pixel  , if change display to 16 bit, now 32 bit

This is not important now, because...:

 
Citazione2 - vendor
Microsoft corp. 1.1
Direct 3 D

Pixsel format
Color ( 32 bits ) z ( 16 bits ) stenci ( 0 bits )
Extension
GL_EX_COMPILED_VERTEX_ARRAY

How I supposed, this is important info. You are using Direct3D to play Quake3. This means your Voodoo's are not active in games; the primary VGA (VGA on-board) is active.


At this point I am asking myself if cards are damaged...

Leave alone SLI configuration purpose at moment, choose the card you prefer and try again. If with one Voodoo2 still does not work, try the other one. Reinstall driver that you prefer (now you can turn back to FastVoodoo2 if you want)

To verify if 3dfx card is working properly, you can refer to Quake3 (if you added files in Q3A main root, like mesafx or wicked miniGL, delete them; I mean restore game original):

1) Start the game, go in SYSTEM SETUP menu and try to switch to "Voodoo" mode; if this will happen successfully, is good thing:). Set resolution up to 800x600 (remember, now you are using only one Voodoo2!). Ignore other settings at moment and leave them at default. Click on "DRIVER INFO" button and concerning "VENDOR" string, you would have expecting something like "3Dfx Interactive 1.1.0 etc etc...."...this confirm that all is ok.

2) Now you can install wickedGL or mesaFX in the main root of Q3A how we discuss some posts ago, experiment different graphic settings in order to optimize performances and so on....

If still does not work, try doing the same with the other Voodoo2

I would like be there in order to give you help directly:D

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 19 Novembre 2005, 15:27:01
thanks for your help,
I try this later,
What will happend if change the Bios:
Integrated peripherals
Init Display First :
( Now ) AGP to PCI Slot ?
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 19 Novembre 2005, 15:34:59
Citazionethanks for your help,
I try this later,
What will happend if change the Bios:
Integrated peripherals
Init Display First :
( Now ) AGP to PCI Slot ?

 


This allow you to choose what adapter have to be initialized first, PCI or AGP. In your case, i think this does not affect OS

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 19 Novembre 2005, 17:09:31
what hapend it is first initialize voodoo2( PCI ) and then agp on board? ? can be some damage on system ?
for agp reduce 128 Mb to 64 Mb in Bios
on side : http://www.shifter.sk/helppage/default_fix.htm#SLI
(IMPORTANT: Set the AGP Aperture Size to 128MB or lower in your BIOS. Vodooo2 SLI may not work with a higher setting than that)

can reduce to 32MB in Bios or is not important ?
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 20 Novembre 2005, 20:37:02
You are right :
Step by step :
Reinstall Fv2 –GE and try Koolsmoky first to one and than second card ( voodoo2 ),
Reinstall Quake 3 and install, no one card work on vendor is still microsoft... driver,
( just Koolosmoky driver without voodoo2 tweaker ).
Then reinstall Koolsmoky and try to driver Fv2-ge,reinstall and install Quake 3 and first card – creative work alone,
Then try to other card Orchid and work – in game Quake 3 is Vendor : 3dfx – resolution 800 x 600, driver voodoo
Result booth card work alone but not in Sli mode.
Then put in Sli mode , reinstall and install Quake3, but no one combination work:
( First – creative, second orchid; First orchid and second creative )

When game started is just black screen and system look for something ( disk light )
Wait for 3-5 minute and then restart the computer.
so i put in display 3dfx – disable Sli mode – checkeh ,
and Quake3 work but just in this combination – vendor – 3dfx : voodoo
Result booth card work alone but not in Sli mode,
maybe is miss some file or cards together not work in Sli mode in Win Xp.
I was not try Sli mode in win 98, because i  get Orchid card later.
Thanks  for your help,
Now have in system just one card Voodoo2,
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: goriath il 20 Novembre 2005, 21:50:31
Yuhu! :duo

Now you can say you are playing with 3dfx graphics power ;)

At least one Voodoo2 works; so definetely problem is incompatibility between Creative and Orchid, ya...

Well done :). Have fun with your new toy;)

Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: david il 21 Novembre 2005, 05:56:02
o.k.
:)
Titolo: Grafic on board and voodoo2 e possibile
Inserito da: Glide il 24 Novembre 2005, 22:31:59
:)